I did 24 years in the ARMY and have been led by West Pointers! CSM Craven has also earned the German, Chilean, and Australian Parachutist badges and is a member of the Prestigious Sergeant Audie Murphy Club. I wore the Cadet rank insignia of 2LT. Im a Senior WO and I can personally attest to the height of arrogance the NCO Corps exercises today. Does the cadet need to be regularly assigned to a Cadet billet? He previously served in the 282nd Army Band at Fort Jackson as head light designer and percussionist, performing in the Jazz Combo, Rock Band, and Concert Band. Somehow, the memo of shifting demographics of new Soldiers within the Infantry never reached West Point so there's a huge disconnect in reality. In this case he/she is regularly assigned, potentially in an E3, E4, E5, or what have you spot. Plus, it's not typically possible for a Cadet to be a " regularly assigned member" of any unit other than their school unit. Sergeant Major Jeremy Schlegel, from Hanover Township, Pennsylvania, joined the West Point Band in August of 2008. As the DGC, he manages Garrison staff operations in support of the United States Military Academy mission. It is a chain of command situation. Most recently, CSM Craven was the Command Sergeant Major for the 5th Security Force Assistance Brigade (SFAB) at Joint Base Lewis-McChord, Washington. For lack of official guidance I was assigned as an assistant platoon leader in an Armored Cavalry Company and my platoon sergeant was a former Navy Seal with combat tours in Vietnam (along with other unmentionable places during that conflict). I wondered about it at the time and this reminded me of it, is this more of like a courtesy thing where Warrants dont salute each other and shake hands instead? Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. But usually, you're the one doing most of the work. Staff Sergeant Cardone earned her Bachelor of Music, magna cum laude, in . I was an Air Force Aviation Cadet during the late 1950's. She entered the military in March 1999 attending Basic Combat Training and Advanced Individual Training at Fort Jackson, South Carolina where she was awarded the MOS 75B Personnel Administration Specialist which later became 42A Human Resources Specialist. Thats what the reg says, but how does that work in practice? For some reason a lot of angry major S3 types fall into this category. Sir. We are all us. I was one of Cohens blue to gold mustangs in the 90s. that When in Charge, Be in Charge applies. Most cadets understand and respect the NCOs within their unit. Treat the Cadets with respect. So our government invested thousands on a lying, dishonest, ill-informed, and immature man child to lead others. Will that is incorrect. Very interesting. Point is that one never knows what lies down the road so I try to treat everyone with respect regardless of their rank or position. He earned his Bachelor of Music in trumpet performance and music education from Ithaca College in Ithaca, New York. Very nice endorsements. Required fields are marked *. *This post originally appeard The Havok Journal * U.S. Army photo by: Mike Strasser/ USMA Public Affairs They are TDY for a few weeks therefore their authority only extends to West Point. It's often hard to find but its often the real truth on a subject especially if it's being spoon fed to you in briefs and media. Oh please. We have other job description s (stores /rations handling.. what that person is responsible for , order for commissary ration/breakdown The better we helped him to understand the less he has to look for answers. Command Sergeant Major Fraser has a daughter, Talia. I had another LT in one of the other shops stop me almost with tears in his eyes that I had just salutes 2 other 1LTs on the way into the building and while laughing explained me to that LTs did not salute each other. Is the cadet attached or assigned a leadership position? Youre right, Sergeant, a West Point cadet DOES outrank you. Staff Sergeant Noah D. Taylor of Columbus, Ohio, joined the West Point Band in May of 2015. Boy if it wasn't entertainment at its best. Whoever came up with this interpretation needs to review deeper. The regulations can only go so far in some jobs and situations in our Army and beyond that you need to be resourceful or have friends who are. IMCOM Directorate - Training, n Deputy/Director Fort Bragg, NC NCOs are the backbone of the Army and run the Army day to day (as opposed to commanding it). She has earned a Bachelor Professional Studies - Business and Management and a Master of Science in Management - Human Resources Management both from Excelsior College. This would be wiser than placing a WP Year 1 cadet in charge of it. Why hasn't a single one of you been taught that humility, respect and honor flows both ways but in different fashions? Every. Sergeant Major Schlegel earned his Black Belt in Lean Six Sigma (Process Improvement) in 2016, and is actively involved in building the process improvement community at West Point. The one group that actually gave us respect and tried to help and mentor us were the senior NCOs. But short of that, cadets can end up in just about anywhere. CSM Robert T. Craven hails from Swords, Louisiana and enlisted in the U.S. Army in March 1995. original name United States Military Academy at West Point insignia cadets sleeve rank and duty insignia. The smart ones find a good NCO to mentor them. -If you are a Soldier and you are still carrying around the trash attitude of the "good ole' days", it is most likely time for you to go. The Cadet wr had wrote all of us NCOs that trained him, some. Command Sergeant Major Michel R. Fraser was born in Wilmington, North Carolina and raised in Conway, South Carolina. Podcast (Still, there is no need to salute them. I'm popping into the conversation late, but I completely agree (not that you can argue with the regs). Word of advice, if you want to write an op-Ed then you should submit it for publication. Dont demand respect earn it. 2-8. I do not cater to idiots and refuse to acknowledge someone that does not even respect the rank they expect their subordinates to respect. Because according to the Army, they outrank me, sir.. USAG Yuma Proving Grounds, n Principal Engineer Colorado Good Grunts care less for their next promotion beyond making sure our records are correct. Coming straight out of a college (any college) prepares you for exactly nothing. Technically. I've seen this relationship play out in the Army. America's Oldest U.S. Army Garrison & Home to the United States Military Academy Mr. Erik D. Mitchell assumed the position of Deputy to the Garrison Commander, USAG West Point (IMCOM Directorate. Nobody reads your comments past the first four lines. So as indicated by mil/regs a 17 year old snot nosed cadet is indeed an enlisted social/moral/intellectual/ and just plain all around great american hero. A CSM outranks a SPC, but you never see the latter salute the former. Her education includes a Bachelor of Science in Music Engineering Technology from the University of Miami in Coral Gables, Florida, and a Master of Arts in Management and Leadership from Webster University in St. Louis, Missouri. A lot of people have been killed in combat because of the arrogance of westpointers. During cadet training we were paid at the rate of an E5. We promise not to send you more than one email a week! I don't mean to take anything away from the Point but my first platoon leader was the finest officer I ever served under. DeCA, West Point Commissary adjust . the Armed Forces of the United States (Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, Coast Guard), the commissioned corps I say this as a retired officer. No, I always salute them and treat them as officers, and I make sure everyone else does too, he replied in total sincerity. They receive paygrade of ~E-5 however they hold a higher position. The best way to train cadets to be officers that their soldiers will look up to and their NCOs will respect is to treat them the way you want them to act. Practice ought to comport with policy. Cadets are never saluted. I was assigned to the 25th ID in 1972. United States Military Academy West Point Army Challenge Coin w/Sleeve! Mr. Mitchell is a licensed Professional Engineer and a Level III Certified Acquisitions Professional. In respect of ROTC, the R stipulates that only a contracted cadet in ROTC fits the definition I presented. The cadet qualifies here too because s/he is obviously present for duty, as assigned. In the 80s I was an instructor at the ANCOC Leadership School. Upon the successful completion of flight school cadets received their flight wings and were commissioned as second lieutenants and incured an additional four year service commitment. She created a public event called "Play Day," which received press from Time Out New York, Gothamist, and various other New York City media outlets. West Point grads are elite and you know it, Ask any enlisted person and they will tell you that westpointers are arrogant and on need of a lot of training. NEW! She entered the military in March 1999 attending Basic Combat Training and Advanced Individual Training at Fort Jackson, South Carolina where she was awarded the MOS 75B Personnel . When contracted you take the officer version of the oath as well. Cadets are not commissioned nor do they possess a warrant. 319th Civil Engineering Squadron. Before joining the band, she served as an adjunct faculty member of the University of Maryland School of Music, where she also earned her Master of Music in trumpet performance. Something went wrong while submitting the form. Example: In the U.S. Military a Warrant Officer (W-2W-5) are commissioned but are not gentlemen officers. I am acting PL of my platoon because we dont have a 2LT. I wondered how he, as a senior NCO in a highly specialized unit, felt about having cadets around. A Gunny at 29Palms RTAMS and a Chief at NASA/AMES CA are among my most treasured mentors. To this day I credit a lot of the success I had when I went on active duty after I graduated to this great NCO. In other words, each the SNCO and the cadet would be functioning appropriately. Of course, there is another reason to treat West Point and ROTC cadets with respect: they are not going to be cadets forever. My friend confirmed that Navy Aviation Cadets rated salutes by enlisted personnel, at least they did at that time. So I think he had it right. CTLT happens in all kinds of units, both in the US and OCONUS. Maj. Joel Crawford, USAG West Point Command Sergeant Major by West Point Garrison and Community 2012 - 2014: Col. Dane D. Rideout, USAG West Point Commander by West Point Garrison and Community 1 2012 - 2014 . They don't even have a MOS/Branch assignment or anything else at this point. "(3) Senior regularly assigned Army Soldier refers (in order of priority) to officers, WOs, cadets, NCOs, specialists, or privates present for duty unless they are ineligible under paragraphs 2-15 or 2-16." Cadet you are not a cadet when in you ng or reserve unit. We're also the one demographic that gives the socialist/communists nightmares because they know they can't take us head on in any manner so they go through the younger people to reach their aims. Has the. 2LT Eisenhower, he was a 6' 3" tall man who was assigned to our platoon in 1992. Rrrrr matey, were be that 3rd Lieutenant. . Prior to joining the band, Master Sergeant Lane served as head audio engineer at Grammy Award-winning Sono Luminus, a record label in Northern Virginia specializing in classical and jazz music. Comments will be moderated before posting to ensure logical, professional, and courteous application to article content. You know this, you are assigned as whatever rank you have in the guard. Other than those few, I feel as though the future is bright. Or a sergeant major for that matter. Command Sergeant Major Fraser has deployed to Kosovo and Iraq. The cadet only holds E-6 equivalency. Death, disability, retirement, reassignment, or absence of the commander. Life 101. I asked if he gave the cadets in his unit a hard time as part of their CTLT experience. You earn everything in the Army. 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